I’ve received this question so often, I thought I’d make it easy on myself by answering it here. The answer will be my understanding of this and while I believe it to be accurate, a fuller truth may exist. So as usual, I encourage everyone to hunt for their own answers.
The question is this:
How does the idea of soul retrieval stand in relation to “all is well”? If souls can be “lost” or “stuck” then … well, all is not necessarily well. If all is well, then what are we doing when we “retrieve” souls who appear to be stuck or lost?
The use or understanding of the term “soul retrieval” is based on perspective. From the perspective of the physical conscious mind, from within the movie, the term is appropriate. Yet from the perspective of All That Is, the oneness that we are, a “lost” soul would appear as just another role being played, an exploration underway. The “lost” soul’s experience, that is, the role or exploration that they are experiencing, is real in that they are immersed in it, just as one would immerse oneself in a movie while it is being played on the screen. Just as you feel the earth reality is real, acting according to the environment that you exist (are focused) within.
We enter this environment choosing to live life from within constrictions on awareness. The constrictions vary in depth and breadth from person to person, yet all live under constrictions of understanding or comprehension. Even those who appear to have a direct line to the All That Is are not fully cognizant of all that is. The human brain, as a mechanical processor, is currently incapable of fully comprehending all that is.
So, the premise of this physical existence allows for an immersion. The non-physical also allows for that on differing levels and intensities. It is often believed that the physical is consistently one thing, and the non-physical is consistently another one thing. This is not true. First note that there are overlaps between physical and non-physical – quite extensive overlaps in some cases. Here is also There. There is also Here. Then note that there are many movie sets or realities or environments within what is currently understood as the non-physical. Some of these other environments have a physicality, some have none, some have variations that would be too numerous to describe. The All That Is is infinite. Do you think it is limited to this and that? It is this, that and everything between, everything ever imagined by any being, for in the imagining lies the seeds of creation.
So keeping these things in mind, it becomes obvious that there are various levels of awareness available on the non-physical planes. In the physical earth world it is thought, “This is alive, and this is dead.” As if each offers only one state of being. Yet even within the “alive” or “conscious” are there not degrees of awareness and aliveness and interaction? One person is intensely here, vibrant and attentive. Another is dull, incurious and somewhat stupid. Some are aware of energies and use them for healing or other applications; other people deny the existence or validity of any of this. Neither is better or worse from the viewpoint of All That Is, for all are valuable experiences, explorations. I use this example to point out that the same sorts of differences, or correlating ones, can be experienced on the non-physical. Dead is not one kind of dead. The non-physical is not one place, zip. Everyone need not go rocketing off to the same place upon death. There are infinite choices – choices made by the Whole Self, not necessarily the blind focused thread of self that is experiencing this physical experience, and not necessarily the blind focused thread of self that is experiencing whatever its experiencing after its shed its physical body.
Let us take as an example a woman whose physical body has perished. This spirit may pass out of the body without quite realizing what has happened. This can happen for many reasons, in this case we will imagine that her physical conscious mind believed, “when I die, x will happen.” Since that x did not happen, the focused mind of the woman concludes that its body has not died. So she continues to move and act and follow thought patterns as if she still had a body. Thought being creation, and there being here, the spirit can pass out of the body only to find itself in a reality that is equally real to her experience. She has created it with her thoughts, or been attracted by resonance to a non-physical place that looks and acts like this physical reality and that already exists and mirrors what she expected, or she may inhabit the “physical” reality simultaneously with those who retain their physical-ness.
It may be worthwhile to remind ourselves now that the physical is not physical in an ultimate sense. Everything that appears to be solid is simply an organization and density of energy. The physical world is an energy imprint not unlike her after-death body. It is non-physical in a sense. There is Here. I emphasize again that the physical and non-physical overlap. The physical world is an organization of intention that appears to you as physical. Yet it is also a real “place” from both the physical and non-physical perspectives, and the non-physical places are perceived, from within the experience in them, as equally real. The ways of perceiving a difference between physical and non-physical are – to an extent and for this discussion – learned and perpetuated through training children what to filter out and what to maintain as important, relevant, and “real.”
Time and space are, of course, also organizations of intention. Consider them as fields (as in physics), where many things exist within the field at once, so perception of or experience within the field may be different from one place to another, depending on the perspective gained from this or that point within the field, or depending upon the nature of the field in this or that area – its density or other characteristics. This is one perspective that describes the perceived differences between that which is termed “physical” and “non-physical.”
With these ideas in mind, the dead woman who still exists is aware and cognizant within an overlap of time/space if you wish to imagine it in this way, no matter where she “really” is – within the physical plane interacting with physical objects, or in a non-physical place that mirrors this place, or etc.
I divert into this discussion in order to explain that the “lost” souls are having a real experience – as “real” as the experience we are having. They may be in their own constricted awareness, just as we operate from within our own, and this is what gives the appearance of being “stuck” or “lost.”
The “lost” soul is not lost to the All That Is. Eventually this spirit will find its release from its own illusion and move on. In the meantime, it is exploring an experience, which has value to the spirit, and to the community of All. That is true from the perspective of All That Is. It is all good.
From the limited perspective of the physical consciousness, and some non-physical awarenesses, the “lost” or “stuck” spirit does appear lost or stuck. That perspective is also true, for that spirit is experiencing its situation as real.
The value in “helping” the “lost or stuck” spirits is real as well. If you see an old woman fall to the sidewalk in front of you, aren’t you likely to bend down to ask whether she’s hurt, and either help her up or summon medical assistance? You likely do not nod and say to yourself, “Yes, that old woman did the perfect thing within the All, falling down. Her experience is perfect and does not require my help or assistance.” Just as helping this old woman when she falls is a valuable expression of shared connection, shared experience, shared beingness and exploration, so too is the exercise of helping “lost or stuck” souls a valuable expression of the oneness of all of us, the inter-connectedness of all of our experience.
When one enters the physical world, it is in a sense completely your world. You have created it and you are, in a very pure sense, the only one experiencing the particular and unique world that you have created. At the same time, your world interacts with and overlaps with the worlds of countless other beings, physical and non-physical. Ignoring interaction between your worlds could diminish the rich potential available in your own. (I won’t say more on that, though there would be more clarification available – it is not a salient point to this particular discussion and I encourage you not to entangle yourselves in it unnecessarily. Take it at face value for this discussion.) So when you have the opportunity to assist or interact in positive ways with those who appear “lost or stuck,” consider that they may on some level be creating this situation as an opportunity for you or another, or many, to interact with them in a particular way. They may be giving you an opportunity to do a good deed, as a simple example, which may boost your self confidence and satisfaction and happiness. They may be creating that opportunity from a higher self level, while the portion of themselves within the experience remains constricted and blind to that knowledge. Does that diminish the value of it? Of course not.
(I’ll skip a discussion of the “lost” souls perhaps being other parts of oneself … maybe a discussion for another day.)
Now I’ll also suggest that leaving the old woman lying on the ground, just walking around her, would also, from the perspective of All That Is, be good. It would be an exploration of experience, a creation, and from the perspective of oneness, all exploration is good and valuable. This does not excuse anyone, however, from judging the value of that action from within the perspective of the physical world awareness. This has been explained more clearly and fully in my book. I mention this in the context of this discussion just to make the point that it would not be wrong or bad or evil from the viewpoint of the All That Is to let “lost or stuck” souls find their own way, to pass them by and go on about one’s business. In doing so, the passerby will be exploring their own experience, and it is a valid exploration. In contrast, those who do help the “lost or stuck” souls also explore a valuable experience. It is a different experience.
Conscious minds insist on maintaining one perspective or seek to find the “right” perspective, as if that is always useful. I understand its simplicity and the longing for clarity. But it may be that nothing can be answered definitively from one perspective while within an experience. If you cannot integrate two ideas, then look at the ideas from other perspectives and see what you will learn about both the ideas and the perspectives.
The current physical world’s context matters. So does the perspective of the All, and the All Is Good. They are reconciled in experience, not as a single perfection, but as an ongoing exploration. One of the values of experience for a soul who enters the physical universe world is that the soul experiences confusion, the validity of many perspectives, the richness of many perspectives, the grey areas, choice and internal expansion of perspective, cause and effect, and creation. Integration will come from embracing more than one perspective, applying them side by side, overlapping them, choosing which is appropriate for what action or context. It would be of little use to entirely immerse oneself in the All perspective when filling out tax forms. It would be useless to entirely immerse oneself in the earth perspective when attempting to help a “lost” soul. (“Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s; render unto God what is God’s.”) It may be useful, however, to maintain a bit of awareness of the All perspective even while filling out tax forms, or useful to maintain a bit of the awareness of one’s physical existence even while helping a “lost” soul. Or not. That is a choice.
In seeking to expand awareness, it is not necessary to constrict oneself to what is thought to be the right or wrong perspective, what is the real or not real perspective, what is the true or not true perspective. Keep always in mind the words exploration and infinity. In seeking to expand one’s awareness, it is of little use then to attempt to constrict oneself to a single perspective. For the All encompasses all perspectives, all realities, all ideas, all experience. This is unconditional. This is co-passion. When exploring with discernment and attention, curiosity and honesty, open to your own understanding and flexible enough to change that as experience grows … when exploring in that way, integrated awareness may come without effort.
No soul can be ultimately lost. Within their experience, a soul may be “lost.” No soul is stuck for eternity. Some souls may welcome a helping hand. It’s all good.
11 thoughts on “Soul Retrieval: is it all good?”
Hi, couldn’t find any response /comments to this question. Just got an error page when I clicked on the links. And it’s a great question!
Wow. This was really good Natalie. I think we, as humans, tend to want clean endings and finished plot lines in our experience. I have come to the understanding that All That Is is a continuum, there is no “final Truth ” or ending. There is just a constant exploration/expression of the infinity of the Self. Infinite does not mean really really big, it means no ending, no beginning, ever, anywhere. Of course within the Infinite there are seeming beginnings and endings, what we call our lives,
but these are like chapters in a book, or doors in a room, just a shift in the story, a change of perception.
That’s beautifully said, Dave, thanks. I especially like the infinity is not really really big idea that you articulate. I wouldn’t have thought to set out that distinction, and it’s useful to point it out.
A valiant effort. Well done… tied up neatly with a bow. You deserve a medal for that one…
i greatly appreciate your going into such detail to answer this question (again) especially as it felt like about the only, mis-understanding i may have had in regards to whatever youve decided to engage with since the… bombing… (thats very funni to write actually)
and yes, i see that to a beingness that is exploring… “lost” or exploring “stuck” as state of beingness could and would be VERY enthusiastic about bumping into ! someone who is NOT exploring that aspect of beingness (at that time, in time/space, lol whereEVER they bump into eachother!) and with that i then can easily imagine how deeply rewarding (as a beingness in exploration) one might feel this sort of engagment to be…
reminds me of many yrs ago when i was in a … somewhat icky “situation” for what must have been a VERY humorous tho LONG enough time and i was spening some days and nites wailing away at “it all” during the nite one nite, like 3am (im wailing) the phone rang and a VERY mechanical “voice” (ever see the movie moth man?) said to me LOUD AND CLEAR: “You are NOT ever alone” and then the phone went dead.
SHUT me right up! who knows maybe it was someone who was expressing the beingness of retrival B4 i crossed the line to where i might be more non-physical than physical. !
i feel in my own life that once a relative amount of clarity and secure platform of understanding has been… (achieved isnt really the “best” word) …integrated! into this point of focus (me) that… what to “do” for fun, sort of … spins or gets skewed a bit off to the side… LOL thats about the lightest way to say it! and tho all-of-it certainly adds to my own personal sense of great amusement, which is a lovely experience no matter what else is being pre-sented…
there are times when i also will find myself
questioning the desire itself.
hence, my asking for your take from your perspective.
thank you again and much love to you dear soul.
It is funny to write “bombing” – still cracks me up. And love the mothman voice on the telephone … Lol. My equivalent was a lucid dream, all the stars in the sky my support and friends. Lovely and powerful. Anyway, you’re very welcome.
much love (O:
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE your explanation, Natalie! Can’t begin to express how mind-popping it is to be presented with such an expanded take on the endless possibilities there actually are regarding this sometimes, crazy existence, as opposed to having the biggest mysteries all wrapped up in a neat li’l package – as tho there were only two colours to choose from to explain it all. Somewhat of a myopic view (whether it be coming from the New Age community, or the hard-nosed sceptics), in my opinion, but as you so succinctly described, just another form of exploration/experiencing for the ‘All That Is’ (makes PERFECT sense, to me!). Bravo for sharing your experiences, Natalie, I am thoroughly enjoying your blog!
P.S. I am so impressed with your book that I took the liberty to include an excerpt on my blog which can be found at the following link: http://bit.ly/14ePLK9. Please let me know if this is acceptable, and if not, I will remove it asap! Thanks again, Natalie ~
Thank you, Taz. Glad you found my book worth quoting, and appreciate the plug 🙂
I just finished reading your book. You sure packed a lot into a slim volume!
My struggle these days is with “meaning.” If every path is “valuable” then that’s the same as saying that “everything has value” which is really the other side of the coin which says “nothing has value.” What’s the point of all of this? Distraction?
Also, if ultimately there is only One being, then is not that being solitary and alone? How sad.
Thanks for your help in trying to make sense of this existence.
Good observations – I can’t answer these in a quick reply. for now I’ll say that for me these questions rest on a physical mind perspective, with physical mind conclusions (then nothing has value … What’s the point … One as lonely …)
I’ll try to write a blog post on my thoughts and perspective, (could take me a week or few to get to it) because other people have asked me similar questions – I think it’s worth explaining, keeping in mind that it will be what I think based on my experiences … You or someone else may find something different. It might be okay to sit with the questions, just wonder, and see if you get your own answers over time.