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Interview: Accentuate The Positive Radio

I recently did an interview with KAren Swain for Accentuate the Positive Radio out of Australia – listen here:  

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuMzhvxThec&feature=em-upload_owner


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AfterlifeTV Interview, Part 3 has been posted

Bob Olson’s third interview of me for Afterlife TV is now posted and ready for viewing here … or you can watch it on YouTube here.

This is the 3rd interview that I’ve done with Bob. If you missed the first ones, you’ll find them on the Afterlife TV webpage (here), just scroll down below this latest interview.

Bob has interviewed many, many interesting people through his Afterlife TV program. It’s worth a browse through the archives.

Thanks Bob – it’s always fun speaking with you!




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Update: radio interview March 13

My interview with Wendy Garrett on www.empoweradio.com has been changed to March 13.

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Aftermath: What about … ?

Since the uneXplained television episodes about the Monroe Institute (http://www.biography.com/tv/the-unexplained/videos), I’ve received quite a few inquiries and questions. I thought some might be worth sharing with the blog audience. I’m going to do this in a sort of interview format, presenting the questions then giving my answers …

I don’t really understand the Monroe Institute sound technology (hemi-sync) – what exactly is it, and what does it do?

Simplistically put (I hope this is accurate), when you introduce one tone in one ear and a slightly different tone in the other ear, the brain “hears” (or creates) a third tone that only exists in the brain. When that happens, the left and right brain hemispheres have the opportunity to follow that tone and thereby synchronize their activity – they start to work wholistically instead of separately. When the brain is working wholistically, perception and awareness have been found to change or expand.

There are other ways to reach this same state of awareness, state of consciousness: drugs, deep meditation, rituals like vision quests (starvation, dehydration), or the Sundance (exhaustion, pain) … athletes and people in the arts often recognize this state of brain synchronization as the point reached when they’re completely immersed in the moment, the now, and time loses all meaning. When they’ve finished an activity, painting or dance or song or mountain climb, they may be surprised to learn that it took many hours to complete, because it felt as if it took only a short amount of time, or it lacks any reference to time at all. With hemi-sync, one has the opportunity to experience this state without the discomforts of other methods.

Hemi-sync helps attain this state of mind, yet you maintain complete control of the experience. If you’re uncomfortable or frightened, take the headphones off and snap out of it. The hemi-sync sounds don’t do anything to you unless you allow it, follow it. Unlike drugs, it doesn’t impose a state of perception on you and hold you there until it wears off.

Hemi-sync simply helps the listener achieve an altered or expanded state of consciousness, and helps train the brain to then return to that state of consciousness at will (and without the sounds).

Why would you want to synchronize the two hemispheres of your brain?

When the brain is synchronized, it’s more efficient and has access to more information. Many people want to reach this state for “enlightenment” or spiritual wisdom … my favorite result of this state, though, is applying it to everyday life.

If I’m confused about something, having difficulty making a decision, or if my brain feels like it’s made of five thousand puzzle pieces in a hurricane (hello PTSD), I’ll listen to a hemi-sync cd – or more likely, since my brain now recognizes and remembers the path to get there, I just close my eyes, take a deep breath, and … synchronize.

I know people who have used this state to predict the stock market or outcomes of elections, make good business decisions, remember a recipe. I know people who have used it to sense safe routes to work, call their pets back home at night, find a lost earring or wallet. I’ve used it to remember appointments, find out what was making an animal sick, check on the status of a flight.

I also know people (like me) who have used it to contact long-dead relatives for a chat, to make accurate psychic predictions, to gain insight into relationships with other people or oneself.

It’s a state that can be anything from very relaxing and rejuvenating to very exciting and crazy. And the more you practice, the more useful it becomes.

Do you go out of body? How can I go out of body?

I have gone out of body, but I don’t do that now. I differentiate what I do from “out of body” because when I did experience what is referred to as going out of body, I actually felt myself as an energy body peeling out of my physical body. The best way I can describe what I do now is to say that I let my consciousness travel without any body awareness – physical body or energy body. I shift my focus. It’s easier for me to do it this way, and I feel my perceptions are clearer. My understanding is that this is similar to remote viewing.

How can you learn to go out of body? Practice. There are some books around that help teach people how to go out of body. I haven’t read any of them except Robert Monroe’s so I can’t comment on them. I taught myself how to do it many many years ago after reading Robert Monroe’s first book, then called Out of Body, now called Journeys Out of the Body. It took me about two or three weeks of trying before I peeled myself out; some people I’ve met said it took them over a year, others a few days. Keep at it, is the only advice I can give. The Monroe Institute is a good practice forum, because you get to leave all other responsibilities behind for a week and just concentrate on that if you want to … which brings us neatly to the next question:

If I go to the Monroe Institute (TMI), will I have an out of body experience?

Maybe. Maybe not. I don’t know what the latest statistics are; a few years ago I read that less than 50% of the people who go to TMI have the out of body experience.

During programs I’ve attended, only two people were desperate to have an out of body experience, and those two people did. The rest of the people in the programs weren’t so focused on the out of body experience specifically; they were hoping less for the out of body experience than they were for an expansion of awareness, experiencing new ways of perception, experiencing something they’d never experienced before. I’ve never known a disappointed participant of a TMI program … I have known a lot of surprised people, and amazed, moved, wondering, curious, and grateful people have walked out of the Institute.

Is this Monroe Institute, like, a cult?

No, it’s just a place to practice having new experiences. There’s no dogma or cultish belief system… I think a lot of people who have been there get excited about it, and talk about it with great enthusiasm that may appear cultish (“You’ve got to go there! It’s amazing!”) because attending the programs has changed a lot of people’s lives. The same could probably be said for many workshops, or for things like vision quests … we who’ve been to TMI talk about it with affection and enthusiasm because that’s the workshop we chose and it worked for us in some notable way.

The only stated “dogma” of TMI: Be willing to believe that we’re more than our physical bodies.

Then they offer some sound technology to support each person’s experiencing that in their own way – no one sits up in front of you telling you how it is, what to think, what to believe. You have your own experiences in expanded awareness, and whatever you find, discover, explore, uncover, remember or do with what you experience is your business. Whatever beliefs you have or whatever belief system you choose to integrate your experiences into – Christian , Muslim, Buddhist, New Age, AmerIndian, agnostic, science, whatever – that’s up to you.

In my mind, the most attractive thing about TMI is the lack of dogma and the inclusivity. People from all different backgrounds, cultures and belief systems attend TMI programs. Most “self-help” workshops and programs attract more women than men; TMI generally has an equal share of men and women attending their programs. It’s not a cult, it’s just an experience.

Did you learn how to talk with spirits at the Monroe Institute?

No, I’ve talked with spirits ever since I can remember. The Lifelines program at TMI helped me gain a little better control over it, though, and made me realize that what I’d been doing all my life was called something (soul retrieval, soul rescue). I thought people who did soul retrievals were doing something else – I didn’t know what, but the name made it sound more complicated than what I’d been doing – ha!

Do I have to go to the Monroe Institute to try out these hemi-sync sounds?

Check out the store on the TMI webite, or go to http://www.hemi-sync.com and browse around. You can order a few cd’s and try them out on your own.

There are also shorter programs given all over the country as well as at TMI in Virginia. These shorter workshops are generally 2-3 days, and not as expensive as the full week workshops. Check here for schedules: https://www.facebook.com/events/117451941637681/ or http://www.monroeinstitute.org/programs/cat/3-day-residential-programs

Direct link to full episodes of the uneXplained:



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Me on TV – the uneXplained

The unXplained, TV show on which I’ll appear, premieres July 28th at 11pm (Pacific time?) on the Biography channel.

I don’t know the air date for “my” episode – will let you know if/when I know.

Should be an interesting program, maybe just watch them all!

(I don’t know of episodes will be available to watch online – I’ll try asking the producers again and let you know …)

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Psychic Protection

This is a post inspired by a comment from a reader  – cheers, AgentSully.

[Insert usual explanation of my channeling here – or go look at the post entitled Suicide to read the explanation … ]


Me: Talk a bit about psychic protection, please.

Them: Psychic protection can be necessary we would say, or at least desirable for some. It may be understood as protection from the poorly formed ideas within your own mind, the misconceptions and misunderstandings within the mind, or as protection from particular beings who are separate from you or the thought forms that originate from beings less scrupulous than they might be with their creations. Either would be true.

We will first speak from within the viewpoint of the physical realms, from within the illusions or energy systems set up for this realm. They are real, remember, from within the realm.

Being within the physical planes of existence, know that there are certainly those who do not necessarily act with the awareness of their participation within the All. This is not to say that what they experience is outside of the All, only that they are unaware on some key level, and within their own free-will-creations they may be wagging the dog, you will say. Meaning that their free will actions are allowed free rein by the whole self, the whole self (the dog) then following along after the wagging tail, perhaps only stepping in if things get too far out of hand, for instance.

The individual is given free rein to some extent, and so may be shaping themselves or others into beings that one would not necessarily care to interact with.  You will recognize this. We speak from one particular viewpoint, within or not far from the physical, you understand. Please acknowledge.

Yes, I understand.

This assumes willful or inadvertent blindness to one’s true nature. It does not presuppose that some of these beings are inept with energy, consciously or unconsciously. On a very basic level, you have encountered people who seem quite kind and friendly, yet when you leave their presence you feel completely drained and must go lie down and somehow recover and recharge your energy. They are in fact feeding off of your energy, consciously or unconsciously, believing that they are not adequate unto themselves, having lost the memory or skill to connect with the All, the Sea of Awareness, to refresh and charge their own energy. They are yet skillful enough to gather the energy of others, believing that is the only place they can get it.

Another example would be those who do this without being within one’s physical presence. We speak of the friend on the other side of the state, the mother on the other side of the continent. Unconsciously or consciously, they may draw upon your energy and insinuate their own presence into your energy space. They may be physical personalities who do this unconsciously or consciously, or they may be beings that exist within the physical but are not always manifest as visible, shall we say. These are not fictions, they are real within the viewpoint of the physical realms. We would like to stress this without entering into that discussion.

In the case of leaving one’s body to explore the universe or other realities, other vibrational planes or places, dimensions, we will also say that it is possible here to encounter those beings that do not have respect for another. They will, if possible, cling to you or appear to interfere with your energy and comfort. It is valid to put up some protection from these beings if one chooses not to explore one’s own power over self in the presence of them, or to explore the nature of these beings.

We will leave that as is, for more will be said in a moment about this.

From the view of the All of All, from within your awareness expanded to its fullest, we would remind you that nothing comes into your experience that you do not invite or allow as a whole self. In this viewpoint, if you have encountered those who you feel you need protection from, what is it in yourself that has attracted or allowed this reality to enter your own? It may not be that you yourself harbor some mirror of this being, we would point out. It may be that what attracts them is a kindness or a curiosity. What attracts them may be a whiff of fear. This is not meant to alarm, frighten, or appear as an accusation, that something in the self allows the experience – it is presented here as a hint on the road toward understanding.

As an example, at one point Robert Monroe recounts that upon leaving his body he found two small beings clinging to him. (I don’t recall which of his books this story is in.)Monroe was disgusted and frightened by these beings piggy-backing on him. He fought to get them off of himself and could not. He begged for assistance. A man came, plucked the beings from him, smiled and left. Monroe was not amused.

Many years later he was given to revisit this incident from another viewpoint. Monroe found that he himself was, in fact, the man who came to help his struggling younger self. To avoid confusion, let us refer to him now as Young Bob (struggling with clinging things) and Old Bob (returned to help himself struggling with clinging things). The two small beings that frightened Young Bob so much, those that he tried desperately to remove, were seen from the viewpoint of Old Bob to be his own two small children’s spirits. As Old Bob, the beings did not appear malevolent or frightening at all, because he could see them clearly, without his own fear and surprise standing in the way.

It is unlikely that were one to encounter frightening beings, or beings who drew from one’s energy, that one would be able to effortlessly move oneself into a new mindset or viewpoint from which to assure oneself of what was really happening. We want to apply ourselves to explaining this in order to avoid misunderstanding, for we see that it would be quite easy for the human to imagine that because this viewpoint is smaller (Young Bob), it is wrong, or foolish, or something to be corrected. This is not necessarily so.

At any point in time you will know what you know, no more, because that is the beauty and comedy of the human realm. Remove all judgment and competition from the two viewpoints, and you will find the beauty in each. One is not wiser, only broader. One is not more valuable than the other, for they are both necessary to each other. The situation is not a test, it is only an experience. It has no potential for wrong action from either viewpoint, only the possibility of an expansion of understanding.

We would say this: do not attempt through force to convince yourself of the benevolence of something that is frightening, disturbing or otherwise unpleasant just because it might be something good if only you could see its goodness. Certainly reflect, consider, open yourself to the possibility of goodness, but we would also say that being within that which you feel honestly, that viewpoint where you are right now, is important and valuable. Monroe’s Young Bob experience had value.

You are within the human experience for valuable reasons – reasons valuable to you. So be within the moment – trust that moment. If you deny the moment you are in, will you not miss an opportunity? If you feel fear, feel it. If you feel disgust or revulsion, feel it. That is what you are here for, to go through the moment.

This is not to encourage you to lose track of the awareness that you are experiencing from this limited perspective. You are not a being wholly of emotion, for emotion is the result of perspective. Certainly train your perspective, open it back up out of the culture’s misconceptions when possible. We simply encourage you here not to deny emotion as it moves through you. Allow it to move while you also maintain what we will call intelligent emotion – the awareness of the whole self, the value of spirit-informed reason. The energies of an emotion can flow through the body and mind without them being acted out without control, upon oneself or another, is this not so? The expression of emotion is a choice. Your reason has its place in this equation.

We do not wish to get sidetracked (too late!) … what we wish to say is only that denying yourself the truth of yourself is a denial of yourself. In order to move forward, one must first be wholly aware exactly where one is.

Protection is not denial. It is only protection. In fact, when you feel and know that you are safe and protected, is there not freedom within that to resolve the form that you are faced with? This brings us back to the first paragraph, does it not?

If you feel that you need protection, set protection, for the intention of it will in fact protect you as you learn, as you explore, until you realize or understand or feel that you no longer need such protection.

That is all we have to say on this subject at present.



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Interview with Natalie Sudman

An interview re Application of Impossible Things is posted here:


Thanks Laura Deal …!

(psd men and Iraq battle buddies might want to skip straight to the tenth and eleventh questions 🙂

Book cover of Application of Impossible Things


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